Civil Rights Legend John Perkins–Interview Ep. 13


John Perkins, a champion for civil rights and a herald for biblical justice & economic development,  is the  Founder of the Christian Community Development Association and author of a myriad of books about his life, ministry, reconciliation and community development.

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  • Arthur Barnett says:

    great interview with John Perkins! As an African-American Christian I have never heard of him before, mainly because I have been in predominantly white churches all my life. The issues of social justice was looked down upon and would ever I brought up racial issues the attachment of agitator was marked on my four head. At 51 years old, I am just now starting to see the great contribution of men like John Perkins and others like yourself, to the black community.why is the burden of reconciliation placed on the black church? Also, how can we communicate to our white brothers and sisters is their burden as well?

    Thank thank you for giving me a voice through the Sankofa, I can finally communicate with like-minded individuals the passion of reconciliation between the white and black church without feeling marginalize.

    • Arthur,
      Grateful that you are listening.

      Love your questions, might be worth doing an episode just on the burden or reconciliation.

      It warms my heart that you are a part of this community!

      Tell me more about yourself.


      • Arthur Barnett says:

        Dear Robert:
        You had asked me to share more about myself with you. I will try to make it brief, yet with enough information you get a good overview of who I am.
        I was raised as a military brat moving back and forth between five different bases in Germany to eventually ending up in Lawton Oklahoma. I spent my formative years in Germany growing up on military bases where the majority of people were white and about a third were biracial with various nationalities. At this point in my life I did not understand racism. Oddly enough, while living in Germany I experienced less racism than I did when we moved back to Lawton Oklahoma.

        When we lived in Lawton my father would take us to the poor black church on the other side of town. I remember the first time my white friend invited me to the First Baptist Church downtown Lawton; I couldn’t wait to go because it was so big, beautiful, well air-conditioned and very formal. Although this does not represent me today, at that time I despised the black church and looked down on them because their sermons were very long and the white church sermons were very short. My father did not agree with my choice in churches and at times not allow me to go. During my 15th year my parents decided to get a divorce. My father went back to Germany and mother was hardly ever home. Fortunately I came into a loving relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ during this time. The youth group played a very pivotal role in establishing my walk with the Lord. Once I entered college (University of Oklahoma) I experienced more and more racism. I took it in stride, but I regret allowing my peers to tell racial jokes around me in order for me to garner their acceptance. I didn’t learn until later in life how wrong that was, but I let it roll off because I so desperately wanted to assimilate myself into white culture.

        I am married to my lovely wife Jennifer Barnett, who is white, and we have two biracial children 16 and 17. In 2012 while in between jobs, our Associate Pastor asked me what I am passionate about and I said, “Racial reconciliation and Unity in the Body of Christ.” He informed me about this great book by Tony Evans called: “Oneness Embraced” he emphasized the race part in the word embrace. So we did a class at our church and our opposition was fierce.
        This brings us to today. I still have the same desire. We, my wife and I, have read: Efrem Smiths book: The Post Black Post White Church, Rick Joyner’s book: Overcoming Racism and of course we just completed your book Jazz Shaped Faith. Actually, Jenni’s Dad and Mom were at one of the Forge conferences in Colorado and he met you, you gave him a signed copy of the book for me! Thank you it has given us both tremendous encouragement and the “fire in my bones” to not give up.
        I look forward to our conference call September 1.
        With tremendous thanks and sincerity,
        Arthur L. Barnett II

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