Clinton or Trump: My Vote For President

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Summary

Clinton or Trump–Robert shares about what he’s decided when it comes to his vote for president.

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Yusuf Salaam & Central Park Five

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  • Wayne Vaden says:

    The Politics of the Hardened Heart?

    I understand your feelings towards Clinton. However, just as Abraham, Moses, David engaged in unforgivable acts while successfully leading their people (with God’s assistance), even more should Clinton be afforded the right to be human, fallible in some ways, but known to be focused on the best interests of all, still growing.

    God makes political choices very clear. Always stands against the hardened heart. (Pharaoh, John 12:40; Romans 11:7; Matthew 13:15).
    My vote goes to the candidate whose heart God has not hardened. See what God is showing you today, and choose your leader.

  • Robert Fomer says:

    Thanks Robert!
    Margaret and I enjoyed your message on Sunday.

    As ambassadors of Christ and stewards of His Word issues as citizens of this country sometimes are made difficult. The up comming election is one of those discussion each of us consciously have to make before our maker. When Jesus said to the disciples “Give to Caesar what belongs to Casear and to what is of God’s “. Do I have a right to my country, even thou not by compulsion but by privilege of citizenship to honor what makes us free citizens and what shed their blood for and gave their lives. “…Fear God. Honor the emperor” 1 Peter 2:17 Do we respect and honor the privilege given to us, knowing God has the final say. Daniel 2:20-22. For me I honor the process and the right to participate knowing God will make the final decision which then, I am call to honor, obey and give thanks.

    I read an interesting article in the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/opinion/dear-republican-voters.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
    Food for thought, we never know who will carry out the will of God for our people, who knew that Pres. Johnson would of had the courage and determination to bring forth and signed the 1965 civil rights act. We as citizens acted on our right and privilage to vote and God acted on our behalf.

    Thank you for your conscience commitment to God and your love for the Word!

    Brother Bob

  • Root says:

    I think not voting is just wrong. Lives were scarified so we can vote and not voting doesn’t make anyone neutral. People who don’t vote are also part of the problem. We are all the problem to the issues we face. I say this because most of us can do a lot more to change the system and fight oppression. Yes, we have the power. We have to free ourselves but sitting out isn’t the way to do it. You didn’t say anything about the Green Party and Jill Stein. Jill Stein is a perfect candidate to invest in and voting for her now could provide dividends in 2020 with better candidates or even with a Green Party candidate as a frontrunner.

    • I agree which is why I’m most definitely voting for everything but the presidency. I did mention 3rd party possibilities but find the “neither” vote more meaningful for the reasons I stated. Not tryna be part of the problem but part of a new beginning. Peace

  • Ten says:

    I respect and am inspired by your bravery and faith. Admittedly, I’m not as courageous and am, consequently, voting strategically rather than from the prompting of the Spirit, or even my own convictions. Now I’m praying that God’s only ordained King prevails, and next week’s victor aligns herself/himself with Him.

  • Asa Gifford says:

    Why I Disagree With the “None of the Above” Argument

    I have to say that I was extremely disappointed after listening to the Remembering Tomorrow Podcast, Clinton or Trump: My Vote For President. In fact, I was so disappointed that I listened to it twice!

    I just knew Pastor you would guide us through the complicated history of voting rights and the various stances that prominent African American historical figures took on how to positively impact our communities in America. And I suppose you did to some degree by discussing what FDR told A. Philip Randolph during their meeting in 1940, the first of many contentious encounters Randolph had with various Presidents, whereby his actions helped end segregation and racial discrimination in multiple arenas.

    However, knowing you could not vote for Trump, you turn to the stumbling blocks preventing you from being able to vote for Clinton: the Central Park Five, all that comprises the prison industrial complex of President Bill Clinton’s doing, and Hillary Clinton’s inability or unwillingness to apologize for her participation calling young innocent men “super predators”
    when confronted by, yes the very brave, Ashley Williams.

    Watching the video of Miss Williams confronting Clinton and Clinton’s inability to directly address the concerns of the activist in front of her reminded me of similar incidents I’ve witnessed in the past. I recall multiple times watching passionate activists working hard to protect and improve our communities confronting white neo-liberal politicians in public spaces who were incapable of mustering a response.

    In 2004 a young man named Paul Childs was wrongfully killed by a Denver Police Officer. During the annual Denver Marade about three weeks later, a new Denver Mayor named John Hickenlooper was delivering a speech honoring Dr. King. As Mayor Hickenlooper began to speak, a thoughtful, intelligent, passionate community activist, Brother Shareef Aleem, walked by the stage from which Hickenlooper was giving his address and yelled the chant into his megaphone, “Fire killer cops. Fire killer cops….” If there were ever a time to address Brother Aleem’s concerns, that was the day to do so. Instead of inviting Brother Aleem to a community meeting with the Mayor’s Office, Hickenlooper froze. Despite the theme of the day, despite Brother Aleem’s concerns clearly being those that would have made Dr. King proud, Hickenlooper had no answer. Eventually security escorted Brother Aleem away and more wrongful deaths of people of color were perpetrated by the Denver Police Department in the subsequent months and years.

    Relating Hickenlooper’s failures is not to excuse Clinton’s shortcomings, but let’s look at all of the factors involved before we flatly refuse to utilize our hard fought right to vote for President of the United States. There is often a clear disconnect between white liberals and communities of color from needs and actions to basic human consideration and certainly communication capable of healing hundreds of years of de facto and de jure discrimination.

    During a debate on Democracy Now on the subject of who to vote for in this election, Professor Eddie Glaude and Dr. Michael Eric Dyson squared off. Professor Glaude stated his refusal to vote for Clinton despite opposing Trump by echoing some of the same concerns you describe in your Podcast Pastor Gelinas. In response, Dr. Dyson says this in giving his reasons for supporting the vote for Hillary Clinton:

    “It’s about the fact that she’s spent her time working with Marian Wright Edelman. It’s about the way in which, as a first lady, she championed causes that black people could not only be concerned about, but were involved with. It’s not only the fact that, as a senator and then as a secretary of state, her awareness of what ethnicity and race and, of course, gender, those differences, might make at least provide the platform for her to articulate that vision. And more especially, in the aftermath of racial crisis in America, she has responded in a way to mobilize the public understanding of those interests.”

    Dr. Dyson then goes on to say:

    “We’ve been in a serious reality that is abstract in considering the philosophical consequences of particular ideologies. What I’m saying, in light of the real-life circumstances we face now, we’re talking about the choice between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton…if we’re concerned about the very people you’re speaking about—you and I are going to be fine whether Donald Trump is president or whether Hillary Clinton is president, in terms of our material conditions, but the people that we claim ostensibly to represent, those whose voices we want to amplify by our visions, by our own reflections upon the conditions they confront, ain’t no doubt in my mind that Hillary Clinton represents the only possibility to at least address the undeniable lethargy of a political system—neoliberalism, in particular; more broadly, the kind of epic sweep and tide of capital and its impact on the conditions of working-class and poor black people. But I’m saying, ain’t nobody got a possibility of doing none of that in a context where Donald Trump is the president. It may mobilize and galvanize grassroots movements that will articulate their resistance against him. What it will not be able to do is leverage the political authority of the state in defense of those vulnerable bodies. It’s not been perfect, but it certainly represents a huge advantage over a possibility of a Donald Trump presidency.”

    Stopping Trump is the number one priority and maintaining a dialogue for change is more important than a theoretical argument about a protest vote when real lives in our communities are at risk.

    I have great respect for the passion and action you take to improve the lives of those in our local and national communities, but it is not enough for me to also say Jesus didn’t choose so I won’t either. We are facing a real threat to our Democracy. There is not a perfect candidate and in fact, as you astutely point out, there are serious issues with Clinton. However, we need to accomplish two things Tuesday: we have to defeat Trump and elect a President who will actually be open to creative dialogue and change. If we fail to preserve the possibility of change there certainly won’t be any.

    It is with great admiration for the work that you do and the person you are that I respectfully implore you to reconsider your voting stance on Tuesday. Thank you for asking for responses to your Podcast. This subject is worth many thousands of words, but I’ve already taken enough time for now.

    Sincerely,

    Asa Gifford

    • Asa,
      Grateful that you are listening…twice! Appreciate your affirmations and challenges.

      You make a great case for Clinton…Dyson’s quote is a perfect complement.

      Would love to hear more on how your faith is informing your decision. How is the example of Jesus, his radical kingdom and calling on our lives as ambassadors influencing your choice for Clinton.

      Peace,
      robert

      • Asa Gifford says:

        In Response to Pastor Robert

        The Negro Soldiers
        (The Crisis, Sept 1917)

        by Roscoe C. Jamison
         
        THESE truly are the Brave,
        These men who cast aside
        Old memories, to walk the blood-stained pave
        Of Sacrifice, joining the solemn tide
        That moves away, to suffer and to die
        For Freedom—when their own is yet denied!
        O Pride! O Prejudice! When they pass by,
        Hail them, the Brave, for you now crucified!

        These truly are the Free,
        These souls that grandly rise
        Above base dreams of vengeance for their wrongs,
        Who march to war with visions in their eyes
        Of Peace through Brotherhood, lifting glad songs,
        Aforetime, while they front the firing line.
        Stand and behold! They take the field to-day,
        Shedding their blood like Him now held divine,
        That those who mock might find a better way!

        Sacrifice. The Christ like sacrifice of African American soldiers during World War I so beautifully put into prose a hundred years ago held true to American Revolutionary Crispus Attucks before time to Civil Rights champions afterward and certainly those in the BLM movement today.

        In his Letter From a Birmingham Jail, Dr. King discusses wrestling with being labeled an extremist and turning the potential of violent uprising as a result of subjugation into energy for peaceful change and gives a biblical roadmap of those that have sacrificed for our salvation:

        “So I have not said to my people: ‘Get rid of your discontent.’ Rather, I have tried to say that this normal and healthy discontent can be channeled into the creative outlet of nonviolent direct action. And now this approach is being termed extremist. But though I was initially disappointed at being categorized as an extremist, as I continued to think about the matter I gradually gained a measure of satisfaction from the label. Was not Jesus an extremist for love: ‘Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.’ Was not Amos an extremist for justice: ‘Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever flowing stream.’ Was not Paul an extremist for the Christian gospel: ‘I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus’….”

        Pastor Robert, isn’t Jesus’s radical transformation of Saul of Tarsus into Paul the Apostle enough evidence that those capable of persecuting the unjust can be utilized to heal as well? You certainly know much better than I, but the scripture that influences me is the extreme example of Saul’s evil ways, blindness and ultimate redemption.

        Clinton may not be Saul of Tarsus nor Paul the Apostle, but she can be redeemed from her mistakes and used to build a more civil society. I believe our impoverished, imprisoned communities will find a seat at the table with Clinton from which our voices will be heard and the veracity of struggle will not only be validated, but acted upon so that change ensues.

        Since Jesus uses us as he also used Paul, we have a responsibility not to wait for the “right” time or the perfect candidate to support in order to take action. We cannot merely stand in the sidelines. With active participation we influence the world in which we live.

        Thank you so much for continuing this dialogue. I learn so much from your forums which never fail to force us to think critically.

        Respectfully

        Asa

        • Your words/ideas…beautiful.

          Thank you for taking the time to share them with me and the many who will read them here.

          We are both hoping for and seeking redemption. I admire your position.

          Peace.
          rg

          By the way, Mrs. Gifford, no need for the formalities, feel free to call me robert. 🙂

          • Asa Gifford says:

            No problem and thanks Robert. Wish more of the country understood the importance of thinking critically about the futures of multiple generations.

            You keep calling me Asa too, but it is Mr Gifford though.

            -asa

  • Ardith Duke says:

    Hi Robert
    I just listened to this today, the morning after the elections, and I am glad I did. A couple of days ago Ern and I watched a Netflix called 13th, a powerful documentary by Ava DuVernay analyzing the U.S. Prison population boom, the criminalization of African Americans and how it all began. It was so moving as it spoke to all the issues we face with incarceration of our people and the uphill battle we must fight to get this huge machine turned around. It reinforced the Sankofa discussions we had as It referenced the term, “super predators,” as being equated with our black and brown kids–and it sickened me. The term and its subliminal meaning was Cloaked under the phrase, “the war on crime,” where several FBI officials and presidents took a verbal stand to eliminate crime by eliminating these “super predators” (our black kids)-who are accused of being the cause of all the crime in the inner city. Before listening to your podcast I had no idea that Hilary was an active part of that and that she had made reference to that term as well, so thank you for the insights.

    My reasons for voting the way I did, going into the election, were varied and ever changing until I continued for weeks to think and pray. My final decision was based on thoughts of Jesus’s life in the area of compromise –he didn’t. Just that simple–he didn’t. He didn’t compromise with Satan on the mountain or any other time. He didn’t compromise with the religious leaders. He never chose one evil over another, as I felt this election was forcing me to do. So, I too decided to vote for neither. Though I did vote for a third party candidate, My reasoning to not vote for Hilary was based on issues different than the ones you mentioned, although I find yours quite compelling and ones that I wish I had known about sooner. I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for a candidate whose beliefs directly violate God’s santity of life issues (pro abortion) such as Hilary does, as well as her liberal definition of family. As for Donald, well everything you mentioned plus more directed my vote away from him entirely. Whenever I expressed my decision to choose neither, I would get such push back so It is refreshing to know that I was not alone in my choice.
    Thank you for sharing your views. It inspires my thinking and encourages me to dig deeper.